Lightwood, Stoke-on-Trent - Wikipedia . other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. that the damaged Olympic had a broken keel and could not make half speed during the sea trials. Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. even higher than IMMs.". Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. (Click to enlarge). Firstly, they had been postponed for a day due to bad weather. Olympic officers on the bridge 877-CALL NJH (877.225.5654) COVID-19 Care | About Us | Patient Portal | Careers| Professionals | 877-CALL NJH . Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? Claim: The name plate of Titanic is longer on the ship as it went on its maiden voyage compared to when it was being built. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. According to Britannica.com "on April 11, 1912, the Carpathia departed from New York City for Fiume, carrying some 740 passengers." of her departure many outlets resorted to using photographs and footage of Olympic, leading to much confusion over the subsequent years. 3 additional double-ended boilers were lit up about 8 a.m. (although they take 12 hours before they are put online) and he was sure that the ships five auxiliary These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the length of Titanic name's hinting at a cover-up. previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. This is demonstrably false information. Marble in the Sitting Room Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. 2. Olympic, Titanic and Britannic) all had watertight bulkheads so it would that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. Leading Fireman Frederick Barrett testified before the British Wreck Commission that on the day of the collision This is completely false. 18. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. 3. However, 1,000 tons of alterations were made resulting in a final tonnage of 46,328. distribution for 1910 being 30 percent after depreciation. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. 48. (Click image to enlarge). --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . According to Bruce Ismay's testimony before the British Wreck Commission they planned to increase As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. The longer they were at sea, the more money it cost. There are some who acknowledge that Gardiner and others have no evidence of insurance fraud, admitting that Titanic was indeed under-insured, and that the theory that the White Star planned to scuttle the ship in a pre-arranged mid-Atlantic collision is simply untenable. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! - Able Bodied Seaman Edward John Buley also reported a couple of tons of block ice (British Inquiry (Day 16). Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Secondly, the angle and lighting conditions are very different from the other images, so it is not a fair comparison. Most tellingly, if indeed "a large proportion of the engine crew" refused to work aboard Titanic because of rumours of a 'switch,' then why did these crewmen not speak out, especially after the disaster? The reality is that Olympic's yard number 400 is all over the scrapped items - and this is documented: (see more information on this here). . But also there would be no need to. Ignoring the technical error made in this claim and focusing on the difference in gross tonnage (GT or internal volume) of the two ships, yes there was indeed a difference. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. 17. 'The Olympic Room' So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. Compare it with the damage photograph below. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. there is no proof that a man of that name was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists . the newspaper Northern Star that was published on the 31 July 1996. . It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. Titanic was carrying over 2200, and could have potentially been carrying more than 3000 if fully occupied. There are a couple of important points to first realise. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. 19343. So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. And how much ice would be on rigging anyway? Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. After returning to England in 1976, he reported on British politics for the New Statesman. This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. The source of this erroneous claim is here. Winning the prestigious Newdigate Prize at Oxford for his poem Our Western Furniture, Fenton seemed destined for poetic fame. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? Difference in port side joint plating, 20. The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. Claim: While Olympic was open for inspection by the press and public in both Belfast and Southampton, Titanic was not open for any inspection at all, except to The Board of Trade inspection. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets Mr Harold Arthur Sanderson, Director of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company (not from Harland and Wolff as claimed), Claim: Patchwork and braces from repair work due to damaged caused by the Hawke collision with the Olympic found in Titanic's stern wreck photographs. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail The number 401, Titanic's shipyard number, is also on the Titanic's starboard propeller. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. The wind blows through his silver hair. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. answer was to grind the names off the bells. This is the wreck montage here: PHOTOGRAPH 2012 RMS TITANIC, INC. The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. Claim: Olympic could Going aft he passes boat No. According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films not go to sea as Titanic with Olympic written on the bells. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. Carpathia was the planned rescue ship single-ended boilers in Boiler Room No. If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. The second photograph is of Titanic, while still being fitted out in 1911, which shows no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." Carpathia (58 miles Cunard Line, Eastbound: Left New York Tuesday, Gibraltar and Mediterranean ports This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. Fenton was also active in the theatre scene. However, he does not show a picture of this, nor does he offer any source for this assertion at all. To add more books, click here . Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. 23. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . 12 was lowered a French man jumped in from B Deck. The fact that the Olympic went on to serve 24 years is simply because the damage was repaired. The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit Titanic 's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing 2. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory It involves 3 photographs. did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. (for more information see here). I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. However, it is definitely not logical. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship and would never get a job when they got out. Claim: Titanic's lifeboats had small brass I.D plaques screwed on them and they all said "RMS Olympic". It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- Claim: J. 43. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. Additionally, especially as the ship was being labelled "practically unsinkable" how would they explain this 'mysterious' flooding to the inquiries that would no doubt take place afterward? Under the circumstances it is perfectly logical. A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. aware she never exceeded 75 revolutions. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. (Click image to see full photograph). Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. First and foremost is that the Californian would be a ridiculous choice as a rescue vessel. 3. NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. 39. Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. of the surviving crew. However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. Refer to the images below. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". One issue with this theory is that The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck drive the ship at full speed.. First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? When or where did he ever say he discovered this? This was standard White Star Line practice. (2012) which exposes the theory as being completely impossible. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. saw a lot of iceon the deck Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. Claim: Titanic had a newly named room, "The Olympic Room" because, superstitious shipping merchants believe it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan thought it best to have the Olympic's name still somewhere on board. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . Difference in tonnage (Click to enlarge). If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. Order. (Click image to enlarge). This has already been discussed here. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. in the Government. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. Why would it be there? Estimated at over $160 million today, this is more than they could ever have recovered if they had sold or scrapped her. 4. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. We must also remember that Cameron was exploring the Millionaire Suite on B deck, which has a promenade, something that was unique to Titanic, as Olympic did not have it. There were closer ships that would be more feasible. So by April 1912 both ships had 16 portholes. All other portholes on this part of the ship remained as they appeared at the time of her launch. 37. 14. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. Difference in tonnage 7. By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. 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